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Arkantos · May 22, 2008, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Ok. I don't play an edenial mes, but I run a warrior build that includes "Fear Me". It doesn't kill the monster, but it does slow them down, which is more the intention of most skills.

I'm going to stop you there.

Fear me is 1-4 energy denial. Do you honestly think that making an enemy lose 4 energy every ~10 seconds is slowing it down? I certainly hope not. To be honest, it probably would barely slow a player down, let alone a monster with a lot of energy/regen.

kratimas · May 22, 2008, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by R.Shayne

First I was expecting more of a change in pvp so a little under impressed by the changes in pvp. I was really expecting some drastic changes in that area. I did not expect to see any “Restoration of Skill Effectiveness in PvE”, I was expecting them to not change anything in PvE and leave as it is.

I would bet they just want to give the new system a good testing before they change too much. After they are sure it will work the way they want it too, I would start to look for some big changes in PvP skills IMO.

Krat

Giga_Gaia · May 22, 2008, 12:51 AM // 00:51

You guys are missing SerenitySilverstar's point; which is to give Anet some time before jumping to conclusions. It's not uncommon for them to change something and then revert them back in a few days, so why not wait and see how they will handle this before QQing?

Arkantos · May 22, 2008, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Giga_Gaia

You guys are missing SerenitySilverstar's point; which is to give Anet some time before jumping to conclusions. It's not uncommon for them to change something and then revert them back in a few days, so why not wait and see how they will handle this before QQing?

Because a majority of the community has lost faith in ANet's updates, and quite frankly, I don't blame them.

Yes, I understand they're trying. But until they make a few consecutive overall good updates, the community is going to jump to conclusions based on previous updates.

SerenitySilverstar · May 22, 2008, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Fear me is 1-4 energy denial. Do you honestly think that making an enemy lose 4 energy every ~10 seconds is slowing it down? I certainly hope not. To be honest, it probably would barely slow a player down, let alone a monster with a lot of energy/regen.

I'm not thinking it's going to hurt them heaps - I'm doing that with my weapon skills, and the back up from my team. Just imagine though, a group of monsters aggro'd on me - 4 -5 monsters taking e-denial from Fear Me at once? Plus the way I have it set up, I can spam it quite quickly.

I feel like I'm repeating myself - you can't judge one skill's effectiveness in a vacuum.

Zinger314 · May 22, 2008, 12:59 AM // 00:59

If this is a "preview," as some claim, they choose some really crappy updates to preview it.

Arkantos · May 22, 2008, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

I'm not thinking it's going to hurt them heaps - I'm doing that with my weapon skills, and the back up from my team. Just imagine though, a group of monsters aggro'd on me - 4 -5 monsters taking e-denial from Fear Me at once? Plus the way I have it set up, I can spam it quite quickly.

I feel like I'm repeating myself - you can't judge one skill's effectiveness in a vacuum.

Ok, 5 monsters losing 4 energy. Not really effective. You could aggro 20 enemies, it still wouldn't be very effective. Why? Because of the amount of energy/regen monsters have.

So yes, we're repeating ourselves. If you think that 4 energy every 6+ seconds is somewhat useful, think that. Myself, I think it's completely useless. The fact is...oh, forget it. Let's keep it at that.

Giga_Gaia · May 22, 2008, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Because a majority of the community has lost faith in ANet's updates, and quite frankly, I don't blame them.

Yes, I understand they're trying. But until they make a few consecutive overall good updates, the community is going to jump to conclusions based on previous updates.

Don't get me wrong, I've also lost a lot of faith in Anet in the past. But maybe I lack the incredibly high standards of the community

, or maybe I just don't really care much nowadays. Still, seeing that they've finally taken SOME initiative to correct their mistakes (and hopefully avoid them in GW2) has restored my faith, a little.

I Can Cure Cancer · May 22, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

I'm not thinking it's going to hurt them heaps - I'm doing that with my weapon skills, and the back up from my team. Just imagine though, a group of monsters aggro'd on me - 4 -5 monsters taking e-denial from Fear Me at once? Plus the way I have it set up, I can spam it quite quickly.

I feel like I'm repeating myself - you can't judge one skill's effectiveness in a vacuum.

Just face it, e-denial is simply bad. 4 energy is really gonna hurt those monsters with huge energy pools and energy regen right? If you have to resort to e-denial in PvE it means your group is killing things too slowly. I'd recommend you use less fear me and more eviscerate.

SerenitySilverstar · May 22, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Myself, I think it's completely useless. The fact is...oh, forget it. Let's keep it at that.

Yuppers. And there you go - you hate it, I like it. Opinion.

Which is why so many of these good discussions can get sucked into a black hole.

SerenitySilverstar · May 22, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by I Can Cure Cancer

I'd recommend you use less fear me and more eviscerate.

Why can't I use both? That's rhetorical by the way, because saying "One skill is not a build" seems to be lost on those without basic reading comprehension.

DarkNecrid · May 22, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Yuppers. And there you go - you hate it, I like it. Opinion.

Which is why so many of these good discussions can get sucked into a black hole.

Opinions can be wrong.

You think the Holocaust happened, I don't.

Opinion.

Would you call me wrong?

SerenitySilverstar · May 22, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Opinions can be wrong.

You think the Holocaust happened, I don't.

Opinion.

Would you call me wrong?

Yes. Because there's facts and evidence to back up the Holocaust.

DarkNecrid · May 22, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Yes. Because there's facts and evidence to back up the Holocaust.

And there's facts and evidence that "Fear Me!" is crap against monsters because a majority of them have evidence of having over 80++ energy, with 4-8+ energy regen or more.

Arkantos · May 22, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Yes. Because there's facts and evidence to back up the Holocaust.

There are facts that prove the uselessness of energy denial in PvE, and only opinions saying it's useful.

I Can Cure Cancer · May 22, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Why can't I use both? That's rhetorical by the way, because saying "One skill is not a build" seems to be lost on those without basic reading comprehension.

By "less Fear Me and more Eviscerate" I mean stop wasting your bar on useless junk and start doing some damage instead of beating around the bush with e-denial.

SerenitySilverstar · May 22, 2008, 01:11 AM // 01:11

You guys realize that double teaming an alternate opinion doesn't mean you win, or quash it, right?

Quit with the stubborn BS and realize, like I do, that "agree to disagree" is a perfectly valid stance.

The Meth · May 22, 2008, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Yuppers. And there you go - you hate it, I like it. Opinion.
Which is why so many of these good discussions can get sucked into a black hole.

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Yes. Because there's facts and evidence to back up the Holocaust.

Here are the facts to back up energy denial being worth crap:
Energy denial is useless unless you have gotten the enemy down to such a low energy that they can't cast spells anymore. When I say useless, it is STRICTLY useless. Flare doesn't get more damage because the caster had 100 energy instead of 80. Unless you are getting enemies down to around 10 or less energy, every energy denial is USELESS because the enemies cast their spells just the same. With the larger energy pools and regen monsters have, you would have to run a whole IWay warrior group with fear me and spam it for several minutes.

Face it, energy denial is flat out useless. USELESS. Mending helps your team more then energy denial.

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

You guys realize that double teaming an alternate opinion doesn't mean you win, or quash it, right?
Quit with the stubborn BS and realize, like I do, that "agree to disagree" is a perfectly valid stance.

Yes, and your opinion is that of a strictly inferior player. You are allowed to have an opinion, but your opinion is made of fail.

Arkantos · May 22, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

You guys realize that double teaming an alternate opinion doesn't mean you win, or quash it, right?

Quit with the stubborn BS and realize, like I do, that "agree to disagree" is a perfectly valid stance.

No, double teaming doesn't mean you win. But when we're giving you facts, and all you have is an opinion, I'm fairly sure our part of the discussion wins.

But enough of this. It's clear that no matter how many facts are shown, your opinion is not going to change. The discussion is over before people start flaming. It's going in circles and it's getting off topic.

Dr Strangelove · May 22, 2008, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by Giga_Gaia

You guys are missing SerenitySilverstar's point; which is to give Anet some time before jumping to conclusions. It's not uncommon for them to change something and then revert them back in a few days, so why not wait and see how they will handle this before QQing?

Saying future updates might not suck doesn't change that this update sucks.

Also, lol at discussing energy denial with someone bad at math.